#1 22.09.2018 13:05:56

cgalik
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From: Chicago
Posts: 286

Do not obsolete Trireme?

I was wondering if you guys were interested in not obsoleting the trireme since there's no replacement boat that can travel on rivers.
Right now it is obsolete by Transports.
https://github.com/longturn/games/blob/ … eset#L1648

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#2 22.09.2018 13:25:57

Wahazar
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Posts: 149

Re: Do not obsolete Trireme?

Another idea is to replace it by barge. Appropriate graphics exists:
http://forum.freeciv.org/f/viewtopic.ph … 4&start=20

Alternative sprite can be set as transport, my proposal is diesel barge, it can also perform engineers stuff:

[unit_diesel_barge]
name          = _("Diesel Barge")
class         = "Trireme"
tech_req      = "Combustion"
obsolete_by   = "None"
graphic       = "u.diesel_barge"
graphic_alt   = "u.transport"
sound_move    = "m_transport"
sound_move_alt = "m_generic"
sound_fight   = "f_transport"
sound_fight_alt = "f_generic"
build_cost    = 50
pop_cost      = 0
attack        = 0
defense       = 3
hitpoints     = 20
firepower     = 1
move_rate     = 9
vision_radius_sq = 18
transport_cap = 6
fuel          = 0
uk_happy      = 0
uk_shield     = 1
uk_food       = 1
uk_gold       = 1
cargo         = "Land", "Small Land", "Big Land", "Big Siege", "Merchant"
flags         = "Settlers", "BadCityDefender", "Transform", "NonMil"
roles         = "Ferryboat"
helptext      = _("\
Diesel barge can transport land units along or across rivers or shallow sea, but it may not enter deep ocean tiles - \
use transport ship instead.
"),
_("\
 Barges can also clean pollution and fallout on water tiles, or transform tiles with rivers.\
 ")

Last edited by Wahazar (22.09.2018 13:26:24)

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#3 22.09.2018 20:08:04

zoe
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Posts: 27

Re: Do not obsolete Trireme?

I agree, it's nice to have boats that can go upstream smile

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#4 22.09.2018 20:13:48

Corbeau
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Posts: 873

Re: Do not obsolete Trireme?

It would make more sense if barge was also limited to only carrying infantry and non-combat units.

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#5 22.09.2018 20:44:59

Hans_Lemurson
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From: Silicon Valley
Posts: 158

Re: Do not obsolete Trireme?

I want a river craft that can transport artillery!  My dream is for wars that travel up and down rivers.

But I will settle for Triremes simply never going obsolete.

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#6 22.09.2018 21:05:00

Wahazar
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Posts: 149

Re: Do not obsolete Trireme?

Well, barge which can carry artillery is a sort of river monitor. In such case, its capacity should be limited to 3, otherwise its firepower would be too strong.
On the other side, it is limited to the continent, while transport+marines can attack everywhere.

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#7 23.09.2018 14:09:23

jwrober
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From: San Antonio, TX
Posts: 72

Re: Do not obsolete Trireme?

I like the concept of a barge replacing trireme and just like trireme stays coastal and on rivers. To Hans point about having a unit carry cannon and artillery on rivers makes a lot of sense and I think the barge is a good tool for that. Maybe only hold 2 or 3 units max. Should also be able to hold engineers to transform land (e.g. modern day dredging).  What tech would provide the unit?

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#8 23.09.2018 15:32:34

Wahazar
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Posts: 149

Re: Do not obsolete Trireme?

jwrober wrote:

Should also be able to hold engineers to transform land (e.g. modern day dredging).  What tech would provide the unit?

I proposed combustion, thus no free upgrades from triremes by Leonardo, and Marines are close on tech tree, so carrying 2-3 artillery units is not overpowered if compared to Transport with 8 Marines.
If talking about transform land - such barge should transform land or clean pollution by itself, it is more convenient than loading engineers, therefore I added appropriate flags.

Last edited by Wahazar (23.09.2018 15:32:51)

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#9 23.09.2018 16:36:21

jwrober
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From: San Antonio, TX
Posts: 72

Re: Do not obsolete Trireme?

+1 for Wahazar's barge proposal

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#10 24.09.2018 22:29:38

Hans_Lemurson
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From: Silicon Valley
Posts: 158

Re: Do not obsolete Trireme?

+2 for Wahazar's Barge!

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#11 25.09.2018 07:03:36

wieder
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Posts: 1,618

Re: Do not obsolete Trireme?

We will do the barge for LT46. Meanwhile the trireme is not obsoleted in LT45. The barge will also be not able to travel on deep ocean.

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