#1 05.12.2015 18:02:56

kull
Player
Posts: 43

to many delegations is leading to unbalance coordinated attacks

hi all!

below you can find, my public comments on team game LT35

<Kull> team red delegation is being used as tactic to attack blue team
<Kull> i am going to expose this issue on the forum
<Kull> hope to count with comments from all

In my opinion, the delegation of at least 3 players on team red, is leading for unbalance attacks!

i propose that on next organized team servers, there must be added more strict rules about delegation!!!

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#2 05.12.2015 18:29:12

sandain
Player
Posts: 16

Re: to many delegations is leading to unbalance coordinated attacks

Kull, you are incorrect.  We do not currently have "at least 3" nations delegating, we have only 2.

Paavo is away for a couple days and is currently delegating to cgalik.  This delegation has not been used for joint attacks.

Evan had to leave the game due to personal reasons, and the delegation has been passed around a number of times.  Drew, Maho, and myself have all been in control at various times, with myself currently in control.  I mainly maintain Evan's nation for science and defense, but I have probably attacked from both nations at the same time at one point in the game.  Is it not allowed to utilize all units available in an attack?  Am I forced to choose a single nation to use each time I log in?

Communication amongst our team has been top notch.  Although I (and Evan as delegated) missed out on the attack on Temmikael last night, my phone was keeping me up-to-date on the status of the attack.  If your team is having problems with communications and team-work, then you will just have to work on that more next time.

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#3 05.12.2015 18:38:30

kull
Player
Posts: 43

Re: to many delegations is leading to unbalance coordinated attacks

i agree with all your comments...., besides it brings advantage and i already previewed this a lot of turns ago....i also thought (Me,Lord_P,Sigur,Dvgo,and rest of the team online) in delegate to use as advantage as well, but i do not to play like that...it is not fair, and we all agree in not do that!!! 

My teams mates can confirm what i am saying!

As i said in my previous comment:
i propose that on next organized team servers, there must be added more strict rules about delegation!!!


Note: (copy->paste from a comment on LT35 game)
(T147 - 16:24:16) Sigur to allies: current delegations for team red: paavo->cgalik, drew->cgalik, maho(playing evan)->sandain
(T147 - 16:24:55) Sigur to allies: and again immediately used for tactical advantage
(T147 - 16:25:35) Sigur to allies: sorry, this is not team play, this is beyond ridiculous
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(T147 - 04:44:35) ElielMX to allies: I agree with Sigur, with the delegations there are no team play, this is a lot of advantage for them, they don't need to coordinate

cgalik (controlling 3 nations)

current turn -> 149

Last edited by kull (06.12.2015 11:54:02)

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#4 06.12.2015 22:33:01

sandain
Player
Posts: 16

Re: to many delegations is leading to unbalance coordinated attacks

Drew is controlling his own nation, check the logs.  It is not obvious how to remove a delegation once it is set via the webpage.  He was away for T137, see the note he posted at http://forum.longturn.org/viewtopic.php?id=585

edit: Here are the connects, disconnects, and delegation messages from the available log.

$ grep "has connected\|now controls\|Lost connection" log.txt
[16:19:18] (T145 - 12:53:52) Lost connection: cgalik from 99-138-162-228.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net (client disconnected) (player Cgalik).
[16:19:18] (T145 - 13:14:56) sigur has connected from dfki-079.dfki.uni-kl.de (player Sigur).
[16:19:18] (T145 - 13:23:36) sigur now controls Kull (Human, Alive).
[16:19:18] (T145 - 13:39:34) Lost connection: sigur from dfki-079.dfki.uni-kl.de (client disconnected) (player Kull).
[16:19:18] (T145 - 13:40:11) chill has connected from 70.57.224.54 (player Chill).
[16:19:18] (T145 - 13:59:09) Lost connection: chill from 70.57.224.54 (read error) (player Chill).
[16:19:18] (T145 - 14:01:33) paavo has connected from 91-159-126-223.elisa-laajakaista.fi (player Paavo).
[16:19:18] (T145 - 14:03:14) Lost connection: paavo from 91-159-126-223.elisa-laajakaista.fi (client disconnected) (player Paavo).
[16:19:18] (T145 - 15:01:26) dvgo has connected from 208.68.37.98 (player Dvgo).
[16:19:18] (T145 - 15:09:50) sandain has connected from host-174-45-68-164.bzm-mt.client.bresnan.net (player Sandain).
[16:19:18] (T145 - 15:21:38) Drew has connected from windtunnel.umd.edu (player Drew).
[16:19:18] (T145 - 15:27:25) sandain now controls Evan (Human, Alive).
[16:19:18] (T145 - 15:33:18) Lost connection: sandain from host-174-45-68-164.bzm-mt.client.bresnan.net (client disconnected) (player Evan).
[16:19:18] (T145 - 15:42:15) Lost connection: Drew from windtunnel.umd.edu (read error) (player Drew).
[16:19:18] (T145 - 16:07:19) Lost connection: dvgo from 208.68.37.98 (client disconnected) (player Dvgo).
[16:19:18] (T145 - 16:08:15) soon has connected from 87.241.163.96 (player Soon).
[16:19:18] (T145 - 16:10:36) Lost connection: soon from 87.241.163.96 (client disconnected) (player Soon).
[16:19:18] (T145 - 16:24:17) cgalik has connected from 12.220.246.2 (player Cgalik).
[16:19:18] (T145 - 16:44:34) Lost connection: cgalik from 12.220.246.2 (client disconnected) (player Cgalik).
[16:19:18] (T145 - 16:50:54) sandain has connected from wardlab01.msu.montana.edu (player Evan).
[16:19:18] (T145 - 16:55:25) sandain now controls Sandain (Human, Alive).
[16:19:18] (T145 - 17:04:30) Lost connection: sandain from wardlab01.msu.montana.edu (client disconnected) (player Sandain).
[16:19:18] (T145 - 17:04:45) sandain has connected from wardlab01.msu.montana.edu (player Sandain).
[16:19:18] (T145 - 17:08:54) sigur has connected from dfki-079.dfki.uni-kl.de (player Kull).
[16:19:18] (T145 - 17:22:17) Lost connection: sandain from wardlab01.msu.montana.edu (client disconnected) (player Sandain).
[16:19:18] (T145 - 17:33:39) sigur now controls Sigur (Human, Alive).
[16:19:18] (T145 - 17:38:47) sigur now controls Kull (Human, Alive).
[16:19:18] (T145 - 17:43:16) sigur now controls Sigur (Human, Alive).
[16:19:18] (T145 - 17:56:49) sigur now controls Kull (Human, Alive).
[16:19:18] (T145 - 18:14:32) Lost connection: sigur from dfki-079.dfki.uni-kl.de (client disconnected) (player Kull).
[16:19:18] (T145 - 19:58:35) sigur has connected from dfki-079.dfki.uni-kl.de (player Kull).
[16:19:18] (T145 - 20:06:22) sigur now controls Sigur (Human, Alive).
[16:19:18] (T145 - 20:20:22) Lost connection: sigur from dfki-079.dfki.uni-kl.de (client disconnected) (player Sigur).
[16:19:18] (T145 - 21:18:29) sandain has connected from wardlab01.msu.montana.edu (player Sandain).
[16:19:18] (T145 - 21:34:20) sandain now controls Evan (Human, Alive).
[16:19:18] (T145 - 21:40:14) Lord_P has connected from 92.110.253.15 (player Lord_P).
[16:19:18] (T145 - 21:42:29) sigur has connected from dfki-079.dfki.uni-kl.de (player Sigur).
[16:19:18] (T145 - 21:57:42) sandain now controls Sandain (Human, Alive).
[16:19:18] (T145 - 21:57:48) Lost connection: Lord_P from 92.110.253.15 (client disconnected) (player Lord_P).
[16:19:18] (T145 - 22:15:05) sigur now controls Kull (Human, Alive).
[16:19:18] (T145 - 22:23:20) paavo has connected from 91-159-126-223.elisa-laajakaista.fi (player Paavo).
[16:19:18] (T145 - 22:24:26) Lost connection: paavo from 91-159-126-223.elisa-laajakaista.fi (client disconnected) (player Paavo).
[16:19:18] (T145 - 22:26:03) sigur now controls Sigur (Human, Alive).
[16:19:18] (T145 - 22:29:32) Lost connection: sigur from dfki-079.dfki.uni-kl.de (client disconnected) (player Sigur).
[16:19:18] (T145 - 22:34:24) sandain now controls Evan (Human, Alive).
[16:19:18] (T145 - 22:55:22) sandain now controls Sandain (Human, Alive).
[16:19:18] (T145 - 22:55:42) Lost connection: sandain from wardlab01.msu.montana.edu (client disconnected) (player Sandain).
[16:19:18] (T145 - 23:45:58) cgalik has connected from 126.sub-70-194-108.myvzw.com (player Cgalik).
[16:19:18] (T145 - 00:28:06) Lost connection: cgalik from 126.sub-70-194-108.myvzw.com (client disconnected) (player Cgalik).
[16:19:18] (T145 - 00:42:36) nicemicro has connected from 203.252.140.217 (player Nicemicro).
[16:19:18] (T145 - 00:43:36) Drew has connected from windtunnel.umd.edu (player Drew).
[16:19:18] (T145 - 00:50:43) Lost connection: nicemicro from 203.252.140.217 (client disconnected) (player Nicemicro).
[16:19:18] (T145 - 01:15:30) Lost connection: Drew from windtunnel.umd.edu (read error) (player Drew).
[16:19:18] (T145 - 01:37:40) ElielMX has connected from 189.213.66.212 (player ElielMX).
[16:19:18] (T145 - 01:43:13) Lost connection: ElielMX from 189.213.66.212 (ping timeout) (player ElielMX).
[16:19:18] (T145 - 01:54:42) sandain has connected from host-174-45-68-164.bzm-mt.client.bresnan.net (player Sandain).
[16:19:18] (T145 - 01:57:19) sandain now controls Evan (Human, Alive).
[16:19:18] (T145 - 02:11:48) Lost connection: sandain from host-174-45-68-164.bzm-mt.client.bresnan.net (client disconnected) (player Evan).
[16:19:18] (T145 - 02:44:17) chill has connected from 70.57.224.54 (player Chill).
[16:19:18] (T145 - 02:46:12) Lost connection: chill from 70.57.224.54 (read error) (player Chill).
[16:19:18] (T145 - 04:29:08) Drew has connected from c-98-231-173-11.hsd1.md.comcast.net (player Drew).
[16:19:18] (T145 - 04:34:42) cgalik has connected from 99-138-162-228.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net (player Cgalik).
[16:19:18] (T145 - 04:50:49) Lost connection: cgalik from 99-138-162-228.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net (client disconnected) (player Cgalik).
[16:19:18] (T145 - 04:51:09) Lost connection: Drew from c-98-231-173-11.hsd1.md.comcast.net (read error) (player Drew).
[16:19:18] (T145 - 04:51:30) Drew has connected from c-98-231-173-11.hsd1.md.comcast.net (player Drew).
[16:19:18] (T145 - 04:52:00) cgalik has connected from 99-138-162-228.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net (player Cgalik).
[16:19:18] (T145 - 04:52:25) Lost connection: cgalik from 99-138-162-228.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net (client disconnected) (player Cgalik).
[16:19:18] (T145 - 05:02:37) Lost connection: Drew from c-98-231-173-11.hsd1.md.comcast.net (read error) (player Drew).
[16:19:18] (T145 - 05:04:02) chill has connected from 70.57.224.54 (player Chill).
[16:19:18] (T145 - 05:34:13) Lost connection: chill from 70.57.224.54 (read error) (player Chill).
[16:19:18] (T145 - 07:11:05) ElielMX has connected from 189.213.66.212 (player ElielMX).
[16:19:18] (T145 - 07:11:11) soon has connected from 87.241.163.96 (player Soon).
[16:19:18] (T145 - 07:27:57) Lost connection: soon from 87.241.163.96 (client disconnected) (player Soon).
[16:19:18] (T145 - 07:43:56) sigur has connected from dfki-079.dfki.uni-kl.de (player Sigur).
[16:19:18] (T145 - 07:48:17) Lost connection: ElielMX from 189.213.66.212 (ping timeout) (player ElielMX).
[16:19:18] (T145 - 07:58:40) sigur now controls Kull (Human, Alive).
[16:19:18] (T146 - 08:11:27) sigur now controls Sigur (Human, Alive).
[16:19:18] (T146 - 08:39:12) dvgo has connected from xdsl-213-196-255-158.netcologne.de (player Dvgo).
[16:19:18] (T146 - 08:51:08) Lost connection: sigur from dfki-079.dfki.uni-kl.de (client disconnected) (player Sigur).
[16:19:18] (T146 - 09:14:58) Lost connection: dvgo from xdsl-213-196-255-158.netcologne.de (client disconnected) (player Dvgo).
[16:19:18] (T146 - 10:46:30) sigur has connected from dfki-079.dfki.uni-kl.de (player Sigur).
[16:19:18] (T146 - 11:00:33) sigur now controls Kull (Human, Alive).
[16:19:18] (T146 - 11:25:45) Lost connection: sigur from dfki-079.dfki.uni-kl.de (client disconnected) (player Kull).
[16:19:18] (T146 - 11:37:15) cgalik has connected from 99-138-162-228.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net (player Cgalik).
[16:19:18] (T146 - 11:37:20) Lost connection: cgalik from 99-138-162-228.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net (read error) (player Cgalik).
[16:19:18] (T146 - 11:37:34) cgalik has connected from 99-138-162-228.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net (player Cgalik).
[16:19:18] (T146 - 12:30:21) Lost connection: cgalik from 99-138-162-228.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net (read error) (player Cgalik).
[16:19:18] (T146 - 12:34:25) chill has connected from 70.57.224.54 (player Chill).
[16:19:18] (T146 - 13:09:38) Lost connection: chill from 70.57.224.54 (read error) (player Chill).
[16:19:18] (T146 - 13:57:39) soon has connected from 87.241.163.96 (player Soon).
[16:19:18] (T146 - 14:15:33) Lost connection: soon from 87.241.163.96 (client disconnected) (player Soon).
[16:19:18] (T146 - 14:34:57) Drew has connected from c-98-231-173-11.hsd1.md.comcast.net (player Drew).
[16:19:18] (T146 - 14:44:40) Lost connection: Drew from c-98-231-173-11.hsd1.md.comcast.net (read error) (player Drew).
[16:19:18] (T146 - 14:59:45) Drew has connected from c-98-231-173-11.hsd1.md.comcast.net (player Drew).
[16:19:18] (T146 - 15:12:53) sandain has connected from host-174-45-68-164.bzm-mt.client.bresnan.net (player Evan).
[16:19:18] (T146 - 15:13:09) sandain now controls Sandain (Human, Alive).
[16:19:18] (T146 - 15:13:09) Lost connection: Drew from c-98-231-173-11.hsd1.md.comcast.net (read error) (player Drew).
[16:19:18] (T146 - 15:20:35) Drew has connected from c-98-231-173-11.hsd1.md.comcast.net (player Drew).
[16:19:18] (T146 - 15:32:09) paavo has connected from 91-159-126-223.elisa-laajakaista.fi (player Paavo).
[16:19:18] (T146 - 15:35:06) cgalik has connected from 12.220.246.2 (player Cgalik).
[16:19:18] (T146 - 15:44:01) sandain now controls Evan (Human, Alive).
[16:19:18] (T146 - 15:52:41) sandain now controls Sandain (Human, Alive).
[16:19:18] (T146 - 15:52:50) Lost connection: sandain from host-174-45-68-164.bzm-mt.client.bresnan.net (read error) (player Sandain).
[16:19:18] (T146 - 16:26:15) Lost connection: paavo from 91-159-126-223.elisa-laajakaista.fi (client disconnected) (player Paavo).
[16:19:18] (T146 - 16:27:16) sigur has connected from dfki-079.dfki.uni-kl.de (player Kull).
[16:19:18] (T146 - 16:29:27) Lost connection: cgalik from 12.220.246.2 (client disconnected) (player Cgalik).
[16:19:18] (T146 - 16:32:26) sigur now controls Sigur (Human, Alive).
[16:19:18] (T146 - 16:34:07) sigur now controls Kull (Human, Alive).
[16:19:18] (T146 - 16:35:55) sigur now controls Sigur (Human, Alive).
[16:19:18] (T146 - 16:36:08) sigur now controls Kull (Human, Alive).
[16:19:18] (T146 - 16:37:39) sigur now controls Sigur (Human, Alive).
[16:19:18] (T146 - 16:38:22) Lost connection: sigur from dfki-079.dfki.uni-kl.de (client disconnected) (player Sigur).
[16:19:18] (T146 - 17:16:29) dvgo has connected from xdsl-213-196-255-158.netcologne.de (player Dvgo).
[16:19:18] (T146 - 17:19:45) sandain has connected from wardlab01.msu.montana.edu (player Sandain).
[16:19:18] (T146 - 17:19:59) Lost connection: dvgo from xdsl-213-196-255-158.netcologne.de (client disconnected) (player Dvgo).
[16:19:18] (T146 - 17:31:26) sandain now controls Evan (Human, Alive).
[16:19:18] (T146 - 17:35:08) sandain now controls Sandain (Human, Alive).
[16:19:18] (T146 - 17:59:18) Lost connection: sandain from wardlab01.msu.montana.edu (client disconnected) (player Sandain).
[16:19:18] (T146 - 18:17:47) ankka8x has connected from a91-153-141-189.elisa-laajakaista.fi (player Temmikael).
[16:19:18] (T146 - 18:18:18) sandain has connected from wardlab01.msu.montana.edu (player Sandain).
[16:19:18] (T146 - 18:26:24) Lost connection: ankka8x from a91-153-141-189.elisa-laajakaista.fi (ping timeout) (player Temmikael).
[16:19:18] (T146 - 18:49:13) Lost connection: sandain from wardlab01.msu.montana.edu (client disconnected) (player Sandain).
[16:19:18] (T146 - 19:18:47) paavo has connected from 91-159-126-223.elisa-laajakaista.fi (player Paavo).
[16:19:18] (T146 - 19:37:13) sigur has connected from dfki-079.dfki.uni-kl.de (player Sigur).
[16:19:18] (T146 - 19:39:09) sigur now controls Kull (Human, Alive).
[16:19:18] (T146 - 19:44:33) sigur now controls Sigur (Human, Alive).
[16:19:18] (T146 - 19:45:08) sigur now controls Kull (Human, Alive).
[16:19:18] (T146 - 19:51:38) Lost connection: paavo from 91-159-126-223.elisa-laajakaista.fi (client disconnected) (player Paavo).
[16:19:18] (T146 - 19:59:12) cgalik has connected from 12.220.246.2 (player Cgalik).
[16:19:18] (T146 - 20:12:36) Lost connection: cgalik from 12.220.246.2 (client disconnected) (player Cgalik).
[16:19:18] (T146 - 20:22:06) sigur now controls Sigur (Human, Alive).
[16:19:18] (T146 - 20:33:50) Lost connection: sigur from dfki-079.dfki.uni-kl.de (client disconnected) (player Sigur).
[16:19:18] (T146 - 21:27:03) dvgo has connected from xdsl-213-196-255-158.netcologne.de (player Dvgo).
[16:19:18] (T146 - 21:33:53) Lost connection: dvgo from xdsl-213-196-255-158.netcologne.de (client disconnected) (player Dvgo).
[16:19:18] (T146 - 21:42:14) sigur has connected from dfki-079.dfki.uni-kl.de (player Sigur).
[16:19:18] (T146 - 21:54:52) Lost connection: sigur from dfki-079.dfki.uni-kl.de (client disconnected) (player Sigur).
[16:19:18] (T146 - 22:38:04) dvgo has connected from xdsl-213-196-255-158.netcologne.de (player Dvgo).
[16:19:18] (T146 - 22:38:18) Lost connection: dvgo from xdsl-213-196-255-158.netcologne.de (client disconnected) (player Dvgo).
[16:19:18] (T146 - 23:29:59) paavo has connected from 91-159-126-223.elisa-laajakaista.fi (player Paavo).
[16:19:18] (T146 - 23:33:28) Lost connection: c3922 from windtunnel.umd.edu (rejected).
[16:19:18] (T146 - 23:33:33) Lost connection: c3923 from windtunnel.umd.edu (rejected).
[16:19:18] (T146 - 23:33:37) Lost connection: c3924 from windtunnel.umd.edu (rejected).
[16:19:18] (T146 - 23:34:40) Lost connection: Drew from c-98-231-173-11.hsd1.md.comcast.net (read error) (player Drew).
[16:19:18] (T146 - 23:34:50) Drew has connected from windtunnel.umd.edu (player Drew).
[16:19:18] (T146 - 23:48:14) Lost connection: paavo from 91-159-126-223.elisa-laajakaista.fi (client disconnected) (player Paavo).
[16:19:18] (T146 - 00:06:18) sandain has connected from host-174-45-68-164.bzm-mt.client.bresnan.net (player Sandain).
[16:19:18] (T146 - 00:30:57) sandain now controls Evan (Human, Alive).
[16:19:18] (T146 - 00:37:47) sandain now controls Sandain (Human, Alive).
[16:19:18] (T146 - 00:45:14) sandain now controls Evan (Human, Alive).
[16:19:18] (T146 - 00:54:50) sandain now controls Sandain (Human, Alive).
[16:19:18] (T146 - 00:57:53) sandain now controls Evan (Human, Alive).
[16:19:18] (T146 - 01:02:08) sandain now controls Sandain (Human, Alive).
[16:19:18] (T146 - 01:11:44) sandain now controls Evan (Human, Alive).
[16:19:18] (T146 - 01:18:15) sandain now controls Sandain (Human, Alive).
[16:19:18] (T146 - 01:22:18) chill has connected from 70.57.224.54 (player Chill).
[16:19:18] (T146 - 01:35:29) sandain now controls Evan (Human, Alive).
[16:19:18] (T146 - 01:38:21) sandain now controls Sandain (Human, Alive).
[16:19:18] (T146 - 01:49:29) nicemicro has connected from 221.146.87.17 (player Nicemicro).
[16:19:18] (T146 - 01:55:04) Lost connection: nicemicro from 221.146.87.17 (client disconnected) (player Nicemicro).
[16:19:18] (T146 - 01:56:03) Lost connection: chill from 70.57.224.54 (read error) (player Chill).
[16:19:18] (T146 - 02:00:23) Lost connection: Drew from windtunnel.umd.edu (read error) (player Drew).
[16:19:18] (T146 - 02:06:44) taulover has connected from 216-165-249-165.championbroadband.com (player Taulover).
[16:19:18] (T146 - 02:11:09) sandain now controls Evan (Human, Alive).
[16:19:18] (T146 - 02:14:03) Lost connection: taulover from 216-165-249-165.championbroadband.com (read error) (player Taulover).
[16:19:18] (T146 - 02:21:36) sandain now controls Sandain (Human, Alive).
[16:19:18] (T146 - 02:24:04) ElielMX has connected from 189.213.66.212 (player ElielMX).
[16:19:18] (T146 - 02:59:05) Drew has connected from windtunnel.umd.edu (player Drew).
[16:19:18] (T146 - 03:11:46) Lost connection: Drew from windtunnel.umd.edu (read error) (player Drew).
[16:19:18] (T146 - 03:14:07) Lost connection: sandain from host-174-45-68-164.bzm-mt.client.bresnan.net (client disconnected) (player Sandain).
[16:19:18] (T146 - 03:17:24) Lost connection: ElielMX from 189.213.66.212 (ping timeout) (player ElielMX).
[16:19:18] (T146 - 03:24:41) cgalik has connected from 99-138-162-228.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net (player Cgalik).
[16:19:18] (T146 - 03:29:35) Lost connection: cgalik from 99-138-162-228.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net (client disconnected) (player Cgalik).
[16:19:18] (T146 - 03:58:14) Lost connection: ElielMX from 189.213.66.212 (client disconnected).
[16:19:18] (T146 - 03:58:24) ElielMX has connected from 189.213.66.212 (player ElielMX).
[16:19:18] (T146 - 03:58:28) Drew has connected from c-98-231-173-11.hsd1.md.comcast.net (player Drew).
[16:19:18] (T146 - 04:18:38) Lost connection: ElielMX from 189.213.66.212 (ping timeout) (player ElielMX).
[16:19:18] (T146 - 05:08:31) Lost connection: Drew from c-98-231-173-11.hsd1.md.comcast.net (read error) (player Drew).
[16:19:18] (T146 - 06:44:20) ElielMX has connected from 189.213.66.212 (player ElielMX).
[16:19:18] (T146 - 06:44:37) Lost connection: ElielMX from 189.213.66.212 (read error) (player ElielMX).
[16:19:18] (T146 - 06:46:11) paavo has connected from 91-159-126-223.elisa-laajakaista.fi (player Paavo).
[16:19:18] (T147 - 07:06:03) ElielMX has connected from 189.213.66.212 (player ElielMX).
[16:19:18] (T147 - 07:13:58) Lost connection: ElielMX from 189.213.66.212 (read error) (player ElielMX).
[16:19:18] (T147 - 07:22:23) Lost connection: paavo from 91-159-126-223.elisa-laajakaista.fi (client disconnected) (player Paavo).
[16:19:18] (T147 - 08:47:34) dvgo has connected from xdsl-87-78-223-104.netcologne.de (player Dvgo).
[16:19:18] (T147 - 09:09:02) Lost connection: dvgo from xdsl-87-78-223-104.netcologne.de (client disconnected) (player Dvgo).
[16:19:18] (T147 - 09:33:01) sigur has connected from dfki-079.dfki.uni-kl.de (player Sigur).
[16:19:18] (T147 - 09:40:33) sigur now controls Kull (Human, Alive).
[16:19:18] (T147 - 09:50:56) cgalik has connected from 99-138-162-228.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net (player Cgalik).
[16:19:18] (T147 - 09:54:22) sigur now controls Sigur (Human, Alive).
[16:19:18] (T147 - 10:03:35) Lost connection: sigur from dfki-079.dfki.uni-kl.de (client disconnected) (player Sigur).
[16:19:18] (T147 - 10:33:04) Lost connection: cgalik from 99-138-162-228.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net (client disconnected) (player Cgalik).
[16:19:18] (T147 - 10:48:23) soon has connected from 87.241.163.96 (player Soon).
[16:19:18] (T147 - 11:01:10) sigur has connected from dfki-079.dfki.uni-kl.de (player Sigur).
[16:19:18] (T147 - 11:06:54) sigur now controls Kull (Human, Alive).
[16:19:18] (T147 - 11:11:20) Lost connection: soon from 87.241.163.96 (client disconnected) (player Soon).
[16:19:18] (T147 - 11:27:34) sigur now controls Sigur (Human, Alive).
[16:19:18] (T147 - 11:44:51) Lost connection: sigur from dfki-079.dfki.uni-kl.de (client disconnected) (player Sigur).
[16:19:18] (T147 - 11:59:39) Drew has connected from c-98-231-173-11.hsd1.md.comcast.net (player Drew).
[16:19:18] (T147 - 12:34:27) Lost connection: Drew from c-98-231-173-11.hsd1.md.comcast.net (read error) (player Drew).
[16:19:18] (T147 - 13:49:01) sigur has connected from dfki-079.dfki.uni-kl.de (player Sigur).
[16:19:18] (T147 - 13:51:52) sigur now controls Kull (Human, Alive).
[16:19:18] (T147 - 14:09:53) sigur now controls Sigur (Human, Alive).
[16:19:18] (T147 - 14:11:10) sigur now controls Kull (Human, Alive).
[16:19:18] (T147 - 14:17:45) sigur now controls Sigur (Human, Alive).
[16:19:18] (T147 - 14:18:26) sigur now controls Kull (Human, Alive).
[16:19:18] (T147 - 14:25:49) Lost connection: sigur from dfki-079.dfki.uni-kl.de (client disconnected) (player Kull).
[16:19:18] (T147 - 14:26:48) sandain has connected from host-174-45-68-164.bzm-mt.client.bresnan.net (player Sandain).
[16:19:18] (T147 - 14:27:22) sandain now controls Evan (Human, Alive).
[16:19:18] (T147 - 14:47:15) dvgo has connected from xdsl-87-78-223-104.netcologne.de (player Dvgo).
[16:19:18] (T147 - 14:50:00) Lost connection: dvgo from xdsl-87-78-223-104.netcologne.de (client disconnected) (player Dvgo).
[16:19:18] (T147 - 14:56:13) sandain now controls Sandain (Human, Alive).
[16:19:18] (T147 - 14:58:27) chill has connected from 70.57.224.54 (player Chill).
[16:19:18] (T147 - 15:07:10) Lost connection: chill from 70.57.224.54 (read error) (player Chill).
[16:19:18] (T147 - 15:16:19) sigur has connected from dfki-079.dfki.uni-kl.de (player Kull).
[16:19:18] (T147 - 15:17:49) cgalik has connected from 99-138-162-228.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net (player Cgalik).
[16:19:18] (T147 - 15:17:53) Lost connection: cgalik from 99-138-162-228.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net (read error) (player Cgalik).
[16:19:18] (T147 - 15:18:15) Lost connection: cgalik from 99-138-162-228.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net (client disconnected).
[16:19:18] (T147 - 15:18:24) cgalik has connected from 99-138-162-228.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net (player Cgalik).
[16:19:18] (T147 - 15:20:21) Lost connection: cgalik from 99-138-162-228.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net (client disconnected) (player Cgalik).
[16:19:18] (T147 - 15:33:53) Lost connection: sigur from dfki-079.dfki.uni-kl.de (client disconnected) (player Kull).
[16:19:18] (T147 - 15:59:45) Lost connection: sandain from host-174-45-68-164.bzm-mt.client.bresnan.net (client disconnected) (player Sandain).
[16:19:18] (T147 - 16:21:39) sigur has connected from dfki-079.dfki.uni-kl.de (player Kull).
[16:19:18] (T147 - 16:22:02) sigur now controls Sigur (Human, Alive).
[16:19:18] (T147 - 16:29:32) Lost connection: sigur from dfki-079.dfki.uni-kl.de (client disconnected) (player Sigur).
[16:19:18] (T147 - 17:28:27) sigur has connected from dfki-079.dfki.uni-kl.de (player Sigur).
[16:19:18] (T147 - 17:35:56) sigur now controls Kull (Human, Alive).
[16:19:18] (T147 - 17:39:42) sigur now controls Sigur (Human, Alive).
[16:19:18] (T147 - 17:43:27) sigur now controls Kull (Human, Alive).
[16:19:18] (T147 - 17:48:50) Lost connection: sigur from dfki-079.dfki.uni-kl.de (client disconnected) (player Kull).
[16:19:18] (T147 - 18:16:45) cgalik has connected from 73.sub-70-194-76.myvzw.com (player Cgalik).
[16:19:18] (T147 - 18:44:54) Drew has connected from windtunnel.umd.edu (player Drew).
[16:19:18] (T147 - 18:52:11) Lost connection: cgalik from 73.sub-70-194-76.myvzw.com (client disconnected) (player Cgalik).
[16:19:18] (T147 - 19:07:15) Lost connection: Drew from windtunnel.umd.edu (read error) (player Drew).
[16:19:18] (T147 - 19:23:13) cgalik has connected from 99-138-162-228.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net (player Cgalik).
[16:19:18] (T147 - 19:26:16) Lost connection: cgalik from 99-138-162-228.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net (client disconnected) (player Cgalik).
[16:19:18] (T147 - 19:49:17) sigur has connected from dfki-079.dfki.uni-kl.de (player Kull).
[16:19:18] (T147 - 19:53:25) Lost connection: sigur from dfki-079.dfki.uni-kl.de (client disconnected) (player Kull).
[16:19:18] (T147 - 20:32:38) cgalik has connected from 99-138-162-228.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net (player Cgalik).
[16:19:18] (T147 - 21:17:14) Lost connection: cgalik from 99-138-162-228.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net (read error) (player Cgalik).
[16:19:18] (T147 - 21:17:29) Drew has connected from windtunnel.umd.edu (player Drew).
[16:19:18] (T147 - 21:23:17) Lost connection: Drew from windtunnel.umd.edu (read error) (player Drew).
[16:19:18] (T147 - 21:48:51) sigur has connected from dfki-079.dfki.uni-kl.de (player Kull).
[16:19:18] (T147 - 21:50:34) sigur now controls Sigur (Human, Alive).
[16:19:18] (T147 - 21:53:29) sandain has connected from host-174-45-68-164.bzm-mt.client.bresnan.net (player Sandain).
[16:19:18] (T147 - 21:55:19) sandain now controls Evan (Human, Alive).
[16:19:18] (T147 - 21:55:55) sandain now controls Sandain (Human, Alive).
[16:19:18] (T147 - 21:59:50) cgalik has connected from 99-138-162-228.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net (player Cgalik).
[16:19:18] (T147 - 22:03:31) Lost connection: sandain from host-174-45-68-164.bzm-mt.client.bresnan.net (client disconnected) (player Sandain).
[16:19:18] (T147 - 22:25:26) dvgo has connected from xdsl-87-78-223-104.netcologne.de (player Dvgo).
[16:19:18] (T147 - 22:26:14) Lost connection: cgalik from 99-138-162-228.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net (read error) (player Cgalik).
[16:19:18] (T147 - 22:41:00) Lost connection: sigur from dfki-079.dfki.uni-kl.de (client disconnected) (player Sigur).
[16:19:18] (T147 - 22:43:02) Lost connection: dvgo from xdsl-87-78-223-104.netcologne.de (client disconnected) (player Dvgo).
[16:19:18] (T147 - 22:52:42) Drew has connected from windtunnel.umd.edu (player Drew).
[16:19:18] (T147 - 22:54:10) Lost connection: Drew from windtunnel.umd.edu (read error) (player Drew).
[16:19:18] (T147 - 00:16:13) Lord_P has connected from 92.110.253.15 (player Lord_P).
[16:19:18] (T147 - 01:00:37) Lost connection: Lord_P from 92.110.253.15 (client disconnected) (player Lord_P).
[16:19:18] (T147 - 01:33:25) ElielMX has connected from 189.213.66.212 (player ElielMX).
[16:19:18] (T147 - 01:37:36) Lost connection: ElielMX from 189.213.66.212 (ping timeout) (player ElielMX).
[16:19:18] (T147 - 02:07:24) chill has connected from 70.57.224.54 (player Chill).
[16:19:18] (T147 - 02:13:38) Lost connection: chill from 70.57.224.54 (read error) (player Chill).
[16:19:18] (T147 - 03:28:14) chill has connected from 70.57.224.54 (player Chill).
[16:19:18] (T147 - 03:45:55) cgalik has connected from 99-138-162-228.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net (player Cgalik).
[16:19:18] (T147 - 03:55:01) Lost connection: cgalik from 99-138-162-228.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net (read error) (player Cgalik).
[16:19:18] (T147 - 03:55:10) cgalik has connected from 99-138-162-228.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net (player Cgalik).
[16:19:18] (T147 - 04:19:25) ElielMX has connected from 189.213.66.212 (player ElielMX).
[16:19:18] (T147 - 04:22:37) Drew has connected from c-98-231-173-11.hsd1.md.comcast.net (player Drew).
[16:19:18] (T147 - 04:57:25) Lost connection: ElielMX from 189.213.66.212 (read error) (player ElielMX).
[16:19:18] (T147 - 05:25:50) Lost connection: chill from 70.57.224.54 (read error) (player Chill).
[16:19:18] (T147 - 05:37:49) soon has connected from 109.75.39.227 (player Soon).
[16:19:18] (T147 - 05:50:01) Lost connection: soon from 109.75.39.227 (client disconnected) (player Soon).
[16:19:18] (T147 - 05:58:16) chill has connected from 70.57.224.54 (player Chill).
[16:19:18] (T148 - 06:05:42) Lost connection: cgalik from 99-138-162-228.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net (ping timeout) (player Cgalik).
[16:19:18] (T148 - 06:05:58) cgalik has connected from 99-138-162-228.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net (player Cgalik).
[16:19:18] (T148 - 06:18:37) sandain has connected from host-174-45-68-164.bzm-mt.client.bresnan.net (player Sandain).
[16:19:18] (T148 - 06:22:15) sandain now controls Evan (Human, Alive).
[16:19:18] (T148 - 06:22:44) sandain now controls Sandain (Human, Alive).
[16:19:18] (T148 - 06:36:45) sandain now controls Evan (Human, Alive).
[16:19:18] (T148 - 06:37:51) Lost connection: Drew from c-98-231-173-11.hsd1.md.comcast.net (read error) (player Drew).
[16:19:18] (T148 - 06:39:25) sandain now controls Sandain (Human, Alive).
[16:19:18] (T148 - 06:40:11) sandain now controls Evan (Human, Alive).
[16:19:18] (T148 - 06:41:46) sandain now controls Sandain (Human, Alive).
[16:19:18] (T148 - 06:43:02) sandain now controls Evan (Human, Alive).
[16:19:18] (T148 - 06:43:22) sandain now controls Sandain (Human, Alive).
[16:19:18] (T148 - 06:56:50) sandain now controls Evan (Human, Alive).
[16:19:18] (T148 - 07:06:11) sandain now controls Sandain (Human, Alive).
[16:19:18] (T148 - 07:12:49) Lost connection: chill from 70.57.224.54 (read error) (player Chill).
[16:19:18] (T148 - 07:18:57) Lost connection: sandain from host-174-45-68-164.bzm-mt.client.bresnan.net (client disconnected) (player Sandain).
[16:19:18] (T148 - 07:29:05) cgalik now controls Paavo (Human, Alive).
[16:19:18] (T148 - 07:33:27) Lost connection: cgalik from 99-138-162-228.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net (read error) (player Paavo).
[16:19:18] (T148 - 08:42:53) ankka8x has connected from a91-153-141-189.elisa-laajakaista.fi (player Temmikael).
[16:19:18] (T148 - 09:00:08) dvgo has connected from xdsl-84-44-179-96.netcologne.de (player Dvgo).
[16:19:18] (T148 - 09:21:02) Lost connection: ankka8x from a91-153-141-189.elisa-laajakaista.fi (ping timeout) (player Temmikael).
[16:19:18] (T148 - 09:32:24) Lost connection: dvgo from xdsl-84-44-179-96.netcologne.de (client disconnected) (player Dvgo).
[16:19:18] (T148 - 10:37:09) dvgo has connected from xdsl-84-44-179-96.netcologne.de (player Dvgo).
[16:19:18] (T148 - 10:38:06) Lost connection: dvgo from xdsl-84-44-179-96.netcologne.de (client disconnected) (player Dvgo).
[16:19:18] (T148 - 11:04:13) soon has connected from 87.241.163.96 (player Soon).
[16:19:18] (T148 - 11:07:33) Lost connection: soon from 87.241.163.96 (client disconnected) (player Soon).
[16:19:18] (T148 - 12:08:28) dvgo has connected from xdsl-84-44-179-96.netcologne.de (player Dvgo).
[16:19:18] (T148 - 12:08:50) Lost connection: dvgo from xdsl-84-44-179-96.netcologne.de (client disconnected) (player Dvgo).
[16:19:18] (T148 - 13:02:56) ankka8x has connected from a91-153-141-189.elisa-laajakaista.fi (player Temmikael).
[16:19:18] (T148 - 13:12:13) dvgo has connected from xdsl-84-44-179-96.netcologne.de (player Dvgo).
[16:19:18] (T148 - 13:18:31) Lost connection: dvgo from xdsl-84-44-179-96.netcologne.de (client disconnected) (player Dvgo).
[16:19:18] (T148 - 13:19:14) Lost connection: ankka8x from a91-153-141-189.elisa-laajakaista.fi (client disconnected) (player Temmikael).
[16:19:18] (T148 - 13:51:47) cgalik has connected from 99-138-162-228.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net (player Paavo).
[16:19:18] (T148 - 13:53:19) Lost connection: cgalik from 99-138-162-228.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net (client disconnected) (player Paavo).
[16:19:18] (T148 - 14:20:58) dvgo has connected from xdsl-84-44-179-96.netcologne.de (player Dvgo).
[16:19:18] (T148 - 14:24:11) Lost connection: dvgo from xdsl-84-44-179-96.netcologne.de (client disconnected) (player Dvgo).
[16:19:18] (T148 - 14:41:19) Drew has connected from c-98-231-173-11.hsd1.md.comcast.net (player Drew).
[16:19:18] (T148 - 15:17:09) kull has connected from a95-94-70-119.cpe.netcabo.pt.
[16:19:18] (T148 - 15:17:26) kull now controls Kull (Human, Alive).
[16:19:18] (T148 - 15:59:44) Lost connection: Drew from c-98-231-173-11.hsd1.md.comcast.net (read error) (player Drew).
[16:19:18] (T148 - 16:11:15) sigur has connected from dfki-079.dfki.uni-kl.de (player Sigur).
[16:19:18] (T148 - 17:11:13) sandain has connected from host-174-45-68-164.bzm-mt.client.bresnan.net (player Sandain).
[16:19:18] (T148 - 17:12:34) dvgo has connected from xdsl-84-44-179-96.netcologne.de (player Dvgo).
[16:19:18] (T148 - 17:36:41) Lost connection: dvgo from xdsl-84-44-179-96.netcologne.de (client disconnected) (player Dvgo).
[16:19:18] (T148 - 17:38:30) sandain now controls Evan (Human, Alive).
[16:19:18] (T148 - 17:43:20) sandain now controls Sandain (Human, Alive).
[16:19:18] (T148 - 17:56:19) sandain now controls Evan (Human, Alive).
[16:19:18] (T148 - 18:30:19) sandain now controls Sandain (Human, Alive).
[16:19:18] (T148 - 18:30:26) Lost connection: sandain from host-174-45-68-164.bzm-mt.client.bresnan.net (client disconnected) (player Sandain).
[16:19:18] (T148 - 18:31:19) Drew has connected from c-98-231-173-11.hsd1.md.comcast.net (player Drew).
[16:19:18] (T148 - 18:48:37) chill has connected from 70.57.224.54 (player Chill).
[16:19:18] (T148 - 19:02:17) Lost connection: Drew from c-98-231-173-11.hsd1.md.comcast.net (read error) (player Drew).
[16:19:18] (T148 - 19:07:06) Lost connection: chill from 70.57.224.54 (read error) (player Chill).
[16:19:18] (T148 - 19:09:49) dvgo has connected from xdsl-84-44-179-96.netcologne.de (player Dvgo).
[16:19:18] (T148 - 19:14:15) Lost connection: dvgo from xdsl-84-44-179-96.netcologne.de (client disconnected) (player Dvgo).
[16:19:18] (T148 - 19:39:48) Lost connection: kull from a95-94-70-119.cpe.netcabo.pt (read error) (player Kull).
[16:19:18] (T148 - 19:45:13) taulover has connected from 216-165-249-165.championbroadband.com (player Taulover).
[16:19:18] (T148 - 19:56:19) Lost connection: taulover from 216-165-249-165.championbroadband.com (read error) (player Taulover).
[16:19:18] (T148 - 20:02:23) Drew has connected from c-98-231-173-11.hsd1.md.comcast.net (player Drew).
[16:19:18] (T148 - 20:53:02) Lost connection: Drew from c-98-231-173-11.hsd1.md.comcast.net (read error) (player Drew).
[16:19:18] (T148 - 21:07:44) Lost connection: sigur from dfki-079.dfki.uni-kl.de (client disconnected) (player Sigur).
[16:19:18] (T148 - 21:38:44) Lord_P has connected from 92.110.253.15 (player Lord_P).
[16:19:18] (T148 - 21:46:40) sigur has connected from dfki-079.dfki.uni-kl.de (player Sigur).
[16:19:18] (T148 - 22:14:35) Lost connection: Lord_P from 92.110.253.15 (client disconnected) (player Lord_P).
[16:19:18] (T148 - 22:28:48) Lost connection: sigur from dfki-079.dfki.uni-kl.de (client disconnected) (player Sigur).
[16:19:18] (T148 - 01:10:17) nicemicro has connected from 61.74.28.245 (player Nicemicro).
[16:19:18] (T148 - 01:14:41) sandain has connected from host-174-45-68-164.bzm-mt.client.bresnan.net (player Sandain).
[16:19:18] (T148 - 01:15:53) Lost connection: nicemicro from 61.74.28.245 (ping timeout) (player Nicemicro).
[16:19:18] (T148 - 01:18:51) sandain now controls Evan (Human, Alive).
[16:19:18] (T148 - 01:20:20) sandain now controls Sandain (Human, Alive).
[16:19:18] (T148 - 01:20:57) Lost connection: sandain from host-174-45-68-164.bzm-mt.client.bresnan.net (client disconnected) (player Sandain).
[16:19:18] (T148 - 01:29:48) Lost connection: nicemicro from 61.74.28.245 (client disconnected).
[16:19:18] (T148 - 01:29:55) nicemicro has connected from 61.74.28.245 (player Nicemicro).
[16:19:18] (T148 - 01:37:36) Lost connection: nicemicro from 61.74.28.245 (client disconnected) (player Nicemicro).
[16:19:18] (T148 - 01:58:37) ElielMX has connected from 189.213.66.212 (player ElielMX).
[16:19:18] (T148 - 02:36:19) Lost connection: ElielMX from 189.213.66.212 (client disconnected) (player ElielMX).
[16:19:18] (T148 - 03:19:29) Lost connection: Drew from c-98-231-173-11.hsd1.md.comcast.net (client disconnected).
[16:19:18] (T148 - 03:19:37) Drew has connected from c-98-231-173-11.hsd1.md.comcast.net (player Drew).
[16:19:18] (T148 - 03:51:45) Lost connection: Drew from c-98-231-173-11.hsd1.md.comcast.net (read error) (player Drew).
[16:19:18] (T148 - 04:48:52) chill has connected from 70.57.224.54 (player Chill).
[16:19:18] (T148 - 04:53:24) cgalik has connected from 99-138-162-228.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net (player Paavo).
[16:19:18] (T148 - 04:53:50) Drew has connected from c-98-231-173-11.hsd1.md.comcast.net (player Drew).
[16:19:18] (T148 - 04:56:18) cgalik now controls Cgalik (Human, Alive).
[16:19:18] (T149 - 05:09:22) Lost connection: cgalik from 99-138-162-228.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net (client disconnected) (player Cgalik).
[16:19:18] (T149 - 05:45:50) Lost connection: Drew from c-98-231-173-11.hsd1.md.comcast.net (read error) (player Drew).
[16:19:18] (T149 - 05:53:09) Lost connection: chill from 70.57.224.54 (read error) (player Chill).
[16:19:18] (T149 - 07:42:28) ElielMX has connected from 189.213.66.212 (player ElielMX).
[16:19:18] (T149 - 07:46:21) Lost connection: ElielMX from 189.213.66.212 (read error) (player ElielMX).
[16:19:18] (T149 - 09:05:50) dvgo has connected from xdsl-87-79-182-100.netcologne.de (player Dvgo).
[16:19:18] (T149 - 09:25:29) Lost connection: dvgo from xdsl-87-79-182-100.netcologne.de (client disconnected) (player Dvgo).
[16:19:18] (T149 - 09:27:20) dvgo has connected from xdsl-87-79-182-100.netcologne.de (player Dvgo).
[16:19:18] (T149 - 09:32:18) Lost connection: dvgo from xdsl-87-79-182-100.netcologne.de (client disconnected) (player Dvgo).
[16:19:18] (T149 - 11:00:33) kull has connected from a95-94-70-119.cpe.netcabo.pt (player Kull).
[16:19:18] (T149 - 11:55:13) Lost connection: kull from a95-94-70-119.cpe.netcabo.pt (read error) (player Kull).
[16:19:18] (T149 - 12:33:20) sigur has connected from dfki-079.dfki.uni-kl.de (player Sigur).
[16:19:18] (T149 - 12:52:33) Lost connection: Drew from c-98-231-173-11.hsd1.md.comcast.net (read error).
[16:19:18] (T149 - 13:18:34) cgalik has connected from 99-138-162-228.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net (player Cgalik).
[16:19:18] (T149 - 14:01:28) Lost connection: sigur from dfki-079.dfki.uni-kl.de (client disconnected) (player Sigur).
[16:19:18] (T149 - 14:35:15) Lost connection: cgalik from 99-138-162-228.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net (read error) (player Cgalik).
[16:19:18] (T149 - 14:45:10) Drew has connected from c-98-231-173-11.hsd1.md.comcast.net (player Drew).
[16:19:18] (T149 - 15:08:54) Lost connection: Drew from c-98-231-173-11.hsd1.md.comcast.net (read error) (player Drew).
[16:19:18] (T149 - 15:49:26) sigur has connected from dfki-079.dfki.uni-kl.de (player Sigur).
[16:19:18] (T149 - 16:04:56) ElielMX has connected from 189.213.66.212 (player ElielMX).
[16:19:18] (T149 - 16:15:54) Lost connection: sigur from dfki-079.dfki.uni-kl.de (client disconnected) (player Sigur).
[16:19:18] (T149 - 16:37:34) Lost connection: ElielMX from 189.213.66.212 (ping timeout) (player ElielMX).
[16:19:18] (T149 - 18:05:08) ElielMX has connected from 189.213.66.212 (player ElielMX).
[16:19:18] (T149 - 18:20:42) Lost connection: ElielMX from 189.213.66.212 (read error) (player ElielMX).
[16:19:18] (T149 - 18:55:22) sandain has connected from host-174-45-68-164.bzm-mt.client.bresnan.net (player Sandain).
[16:19:18] (T149 - 19:09:09) sandain now controls Evan (Human, Alive).
[16:19:18] (T149 - 19:19:48) sandain now controls Sandain (Human, Alive).
[16:19:18] (T149 - 19:23:44) sandain now controls Evan (Human, Alive).
[16:19:18] (T149 - 19:24:14) sandain now controls Sandain (Human, Alive).
[16:19:18] (T149 - 19:26:34) Lost connection: sandain from host-174-45-68-164.bzm-mt.client.bresnan.net (client disconnected) (player Sandain).
[16:19:18] (T149 - 19:50:27) sigur has connected from dfki-079.dfki.uni-kl.de (player Sigur).
[16:19:18] (T149 - 20:08:10) Lost connection: sigur from dfki-079.dfki.uni-kl.de (client disconnected) (player Sigur).
[16:19:18] (T149 - 20:09:45) cgalik has connected from 99-138-162-228.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net (player Cgalik).
[16:19:18] (T149 - 20:18:44) Drew has connected from c-98-231-173-11.hsd1.md.comcast.net (player Drew).
[16:19:18] (T149 - 20:40:17) Lost connection: cgalik from 99-138-162-228.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net (client disconnected) (player Cgalik).
[16:19:18] (T149 - 20:48:12) cgalik has connected from 99-138-162-228.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net (player Cgalik).
[16:19:18] (T149 - 20:48:23) Lost connection: cgalik from 99-138-162-228.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net (read error) (player Cgalik).
[16:19:18] (T149 - 20:48:33) cgalik has connected from 99-138-162-228.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net (player Cgalik).
[16:19:18] (T149 - 20:51:26) Lost connection: cgalik from 99-138-162-228.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net (read error) (player Cgalik).
[16:19:18] (T149 - 20:51:39) cgalik has connected from 99-138-162-228.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net (player Cgalik).
[16:19:18] (T149 - 21:15:39) chill has connected from 70.57.224.54 (player Chill).
[16:19:18] (T149 - 21:52:04) sandain has connected from host-174-45-68-164.bzm-mt.client.bresnan.net (player Sandain).
[16:19:18] (T149 - 22:06:41) sandain now controls Evan (Human, Alive).
[16:19:18] (T149 - 22:09:03) sandain now controls Sandain (Human, Alive).
[16:19:18] (T149 - 22:14:01) sandain now controls Evan (Human, Alive).
[16:19:18] (T149 - 22:21:53) Lost connection: cgalik from 99-138-162-228.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net (client disconnected) (player Cgalik).
[16:19:18] (T149 - 22:26:07) sandain now controls Sandain (Human, Alive).
[16:19:18] (T149 - 22:27:58) sandain now controls Evan (Human, Alive).
[16:19:18] (T149 - 22:29:03) Lord_P has connected from 92.110.253.15 (player Lord_P).
[16:19:18] (T149 - 22:34:43) sandain now controls Sandain (Human, Alive).
[16:19:18] (T149 - 22:43:48) Lost connection: Drew from c-98-231-173-11.hsd1.md.comcast.net (read error) (player Drew).
[16:19:18] (T149 - 22:48:39) Drew has connected from c-98-231-173-11.hsd1.md.comcast.net (player Drew).
[16:19:18] (T149 - 22:55:59) Lost connection: chill from 70.57.224.54 (read error) (player Chill).
[16:19:18] (T149 - 22:56:41) Lost connection: Lord_P from 92.110.253.15 (client disconnected) (player Lord_P).
[16:19:18] (T149 - 23:00:33) Lost connection: sandain from host-174-45-68-164.bzm-mt.client.bresnan.net (client disconnected) (player Sandain).

Please pick out the messages in the log that prove your point.

Last edited by sandain (06.12.2015 23:29:53)

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#5 07.12.2015 15:11:46

wieder
Administrator
Posts: 950

Re: to many delegations is leading to unbalance coordinated attacks

So what's going on?

One player can play only one extra nation at a time. Has there been someone controlling two extra nations at the same time? Something else? I'm not sure I understood this correctly.

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#6 07.12.2015 17:31:13

sandain
Player
Posts: 16

Re: to many delegations is leading to unbalance coordinated attacks

wieder wrote:

So what's going on?

One player can play only one extra nation at a time. Has there been someone controlling two extra nations at the same time? Something else? I'm not sure I understood this correctly.

They falsely claim that Cgalik is controlling both Drew and Paavo at the same time.  Their only proof that this is happening is from http://longturn.org/game/LT35/ but I have provided in-game logs to prove that this is NOT happening.

The problem lies with the fact that it is not obvious how to remove delegation once set, compounded by the fact that there is no logic in-place in the code to prevent this from happening.  I suggest adding a button labelled "end delegation" instead of requiring the username be blanked out before hitting the "delegate" button.  Furthermore, I would also suggest that logic be added to the "delegate" button to verify that the regent-to-be is not already a regent for someone else.  I don't know python, but I will try to spend some time looking through the www code at https://github.com/longturn/www to see if I can find a fix.

Edit: I just tested how the "cancel" button actually works, and it works as I proposed the "end delegation" button would work.  It looks like the simplest fix here is to just relabel "cancel" to "end delegation".  I'm not sure why I thought it was more difficult to end delegation.  I submitted a pull request for this change at https://github.com/longturn/www/pull/3

I have to read through more of the code to understand how to deal with the second part of the problem.

Edit again:
I don't know if this solution will work since I can't test it, I don't know Python, and I don't have a full understanding of the code, but here is a pull request for the second problem: https://github.com/longturn/www/pull/4

Last edited by sandain (07.12.2015 18:21:54)

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#7 08.12.2015 00:15:18

Drew
Player
Posts: 26

Re: to many delegations is leading to unbalance coordinated attacks

Not that anything needs to be added to sandain's post, but just to clarify my own position: I've delegated twice, once to sandain for about 10 turns, the other time to Cgalik for about 3 turns.  Each time was because I was traveling, and I did not have any control of my nation while either sandain or Cgalik were in control.  No one but myself has had control of my nation outside of those two times when I was away.

This is my first longturn game, and I'm not 100% sure of all the technical details of adding and removing a delegation, but if you look at the log you should be able to see that there was no superfluous switching of control of my nation (or any nations on our team for that matter).

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