#1 12.01.2012 10:26:49

sgik
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From: Over here. Hey! OVER HERE!
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Re: Poll: revert_game

I would prefer that the people who exploited this bug just lose the cash they made, and the improvements (if any) that they made using the cash. However, that's probably too complicated or too difficult to do, so reverting is the next best thing. I voted "yes".


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#2 12.01.2012 11:37:32

kevin551
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Re: Poll: revert_game

I am against reversion. Much more than just gold happened in the last two turns. If you want to equal the gold give all players 1.7million.

Last edited by kevin551 (12.01.2012 12:05:22)

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#3 12.01.2012 11:42:03

elrik
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Re: Poll: revert_game

I think that it is a good moment for something bigger:
1. introducing techloss
2. denaying citytrade
3. updating wonders
4. RESTARTING server

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#4 12.01.2012 12:39:53

maho
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Re: Poll: revert_game

elrik wrote:

I think that it is a good moment for something bigger:
1. introducing techloss
2. denaying citytrade
3. updating wonders
4. RESTARTING server

No, I'm against!.

Dammed, I would not disclose the bug smile

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#5 12.01.2012 16:47:00

akfaew
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Re: Poll: revert_game

If the vote passes, the game will be reverted to turn T0123

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#6 13.01.2012 01:01:57

kevin551
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Re: Poll: revert_game

To clarify my opposition to this poll. It is about more than gold.
My alliance is in a tech race with dude. We were about four techs behind.
Maho found a hole in their defences and got a spy onto their rails.
Yes he got gold because of the bug but more importantly he got tech.
I followed Maho and I too got tech. We managed to level the tech race.

When Dude says he and I exploited the bug the difference is that I attacked an enemy city and got tech. He attacked his ally by exploiting the statue of liberty bug.

If this poll passes the first person onto the restarted server will be dude and the first thing he will do is close the path that allowed our spies to get in.

This is the main reason I believe that dude is reverting the time on this game. Just like a beginner reloading a saved game when he doesn't get what he wanted out of a goody hut the admin is reverting to a previous state because he lost a battle.

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#7 13.01.2012 05:16:24

Grendel
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Re: Poll: revert_game

Well, first of all it isn't a 3 day poll, it's a one day poll.

I think we need some clarification on what we are voting for.  It is possible the way the polls are now that we could both revert and get 1.7 M gold each.  Getting a huge amount of gold does kind of sound like an interesting experiment, but I'd rather save it for another game.  And what about Darwin's?

I propose game is suspended until polls close (give at least 3 days).  To be clear voting FOR means:

1. Revert to T123.  Darwin's becomes Great Wonder.  Money bug patch applied.

And voting AGAINST means:

2. No reversion.  Techs gained by Darwin's are removed.  Darwin's becomes Great Wonder.  Everyone gets 1.7 M gold.

...and remove the Gold poll.

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#8 13.01.2012 05:28:30

cgalik
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From: Chicago
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Re: Poll: revert_game

I agree to postpone game until votes are tallied, especially with the Darwin's bug.  The game cannot go on and reverting moves stinks.  I agree and vote with elrik.  Restart.

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#9 13.01.2012 08:01:42

Kryon
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Re: Poll: revert_game

LTex exists to try new features and find bugs. It is natural to restart the game whenever there's a big problem that can not be solved by reverting to a saved game. But I believe this problem can easily be solved by applying the patch and going back a few turns.

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#10 13.01.2012 08:17:53

maho
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Re: Poll: revert_game

Kryon wrote:

LTex exists to try new features and find bugs. It is natural to restart the game whenever there's a big problem that can not be solved by reverting to a saved game. But I believe this problem can easily be solved by applying the patch and going back a few turns.

I believe, that fixing the bug and not restarting, but turning on STRONG techloss (90%) on both sides + few newcomers, would prevent us from nuke fest in few turns.

Restarting and backing to past is evil!

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#11 13.01.2012 10:45:34

elrik
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Re: Poll: revert_game

Maho - damage`s already been done. Few turns without new players and some players will have nukes:) It is too late for such solution. We need to restart:) Even new players will hurt weak ones much more than the strongest. With 3-4k science they can restore all looses in no time.

So we should restart. But we can set more starting settler too:) It will be not so boring then:)

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#12 14.01.2012 10:07:38

akfaew
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Re: Poll: revert_game

LTeX has been reverted.

If anybody wants to make a poll about restart please make it clear what it's about. And define initial settings (map etc).

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#13 14.01.2012 10:12:18

akfaew
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Re: Poll: revert_game

I have also applied this diff: http://forum.longturn.org/viewtopic.php?id=37 because of the darwin voyage bug.

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#14 14.01.2012 14:31:03

kevin551
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Re: Poll: revert_game

kevin551 wrote:

If this poll passes the first person onto the restarted server will be dude and the first thing he will do is close the path that allowed our spies to get in.

This was correct.

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#15 14.01.2012 14:35:28

kevin551
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Re: Poll: revert_game

The 'fix' for the Darwin's Voyage bug is blatantly unfair. The players who already built this wonder get to keep their two tech. The players who would have finished this turn get nothing.

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#16 14.01.2012 16:59:02

elrik
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Re: Poll: revert_game

Darwin i out, recent science is out, HooverDam is out, 19 Offshoreplatforms are out techs for that are out........

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#17 14.01.2012 21:29:20

ifaesfu
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From: Huelva - Spain
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Re: Poll: revert_game

How has the game been reverted? I had several convoys to finnish Darwin in the next turn and now I find I can build Darwin NEVER.
So, I guess I have 2 less techs than the players who built this wonder formerly.

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#18 14.01.2012 23:28:32

det0r
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Posts: 166

Re: Poll: revert_game

I suggest we end this game and start a new LTeX game, especially if people are so annoyed about Darwins.

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#19 15.01.2012 08:15:01

mrsynical
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Re: Poll: revert_game

I am not playing this game, so am posting with limited knowledge ... it seems reverted a few turns and plugging a hole in your defenses sounds quite unfair. I think it would be good to try and continue the game to see what other bugs can be discovered.

How about rolling back the game 10 or 20 turns? this lets go for darwin and adjust appropriately their caravans and units etc.

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#20 15.01.2012 08:58:54

akfaew
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Re: Poll: revert_game

mrsynical wrote:

it seems reverted a few turns and plugging a hole in your defenses sounds quite unfair

Keep in mind that according to kevin551 every possible action I take is to unfairly gain an advantage. Kevin551 is on a mission to discredit me from the day I took over, so I'd appreciate if you formed your own opinion.

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