#1 21.07.2012 21:47:46

Kryon
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Ranking after LT30

I've updated the Ranking scores with the LT30 results (it took me a long time because I switched my code to MATLAB and I didn't have much time until recently).

I'll send the Ranking list in proper html format to akfaew so that he can post it online.

There were 10 winners out of 82 players. Q was 82/10=8.2 and so P=12.5% meaning that each losing player lost 12.5% of their former scores and winners shared those equally among themselves. Each winner earned 981 points.

I've modified three names which was necessary since player names were re-created after website changed:
dude=>akfaew
duncan_shriek => duncan shriek
aczern => aczern.

Here is the new Ranking List:
(Only players who have played at least 2 games and at least 1 game in the last 10 LT games are displayed. LT30 was the 1st game of many players so they have to play a 2nd game to be displayed).

Rank    Name    Score    Won    Lost    Last Game
1    bli    3106    5    5    LT28
2    terror    2938    3    4    LT30
3    kryon    2851    3    3    LT28
4    kevin551    2263    4    6    LT30
5    det0r    2256    4    7    LT30
6    elrik    2220    5    14    LT30
7    edrim    2124    6    9    LT30
8    duncan shriek    1975    3    4    LT30
9    mmm    1867    2    2    LT29
10    mrsynical    1862    5    10    LT30
11    cgalik    1689    1    3    LT30
12    oletraveler    1508    3    4    LT29
13    monamipierrot    1325    1    1    LT30
14    akfaew    1316    3    6    LT30
15    kernow    1162    1    4    LT30
16    bluemoth    1161    2    5    LT30
17    aczern.    1138    1    3    LT30
18    kg    1105    1    4    LT30
19    pytoux    1087    3    7    LT29
20    kernigh    1005    1    1    LT20
21    hades    994    1    1    LT21
22    maho    976    3    15    LT30
23    merlin    855    0    2    LT20
24    dalius    855    0    2    LT20
25    lohoris    855    0    2    LT21
26    dz    832    0    2    LT25
27    sevenoclock    832    0    2    LT25
28    mrvn    832    0    2    LT25
29    lil shiva    810    0    2    LT27
30    canuck101    805    1    6    LT30
31    pdorto    787    0    2    LT27
32    queloor    787    0    2    LT27
33    scooper    787    0    2    LT27
34    mrtimklein    787    0    2    LT28
35    tom watson    787    0    2    LT29
36    krugers    787    0    2    LT29
37    kyrilus    787    0    2    LT29
38    jza    787    0    2    LT29
39    soon    787    0    2    LT30
40    robodave    747    1    4    LT30
41    travis    744    0    2    LT28
42    marduk    738    4    13    LT30
43    wiw    728    0    3    LT26
44    zodrac    712    0    4    LT20
45    ste    709    1    7    LT21
46    fcas    708    0    3    LT29
47    kingofnerds    708    0    3    LT29
48    ozormox    689    0    3    LT30
49    incansus    689    0    3    LT30
50    paxy    673    0    4    LT27
51    keysersoze    655    0    4    LT30
52    moosejaw    623    0    5    LT25
53    pekka    603    0    4    LT30
54    ifaesfu    603    0    4    LT30
55    kevapo    596    1    7    LT20
56    sokrat    531    0    6    LT21
57    urgo    357    0    10    LT30
58    woj11    194    0    16    LT27

Last edited by Kryon (21.07.2012 22:23:15)

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#2 21.07.2012 22:21:27

Kryon
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Re: Ranking after LT30

The previous Top-15 (before LT30) was like this:

Rank    Player    Score    Won    Lost    Last Game
1    terror    3358    3    3     LT26           
2    bli    3106    5    5     LT28           
3    kryon    2851    3    3     LT28           
4    det0r    2577    4    6     LT28           
5    edrim    2428    6    8     LT27       
6    mrsynical    2129    5    9     LT27
7    mmm    1867    2    2     LT29       
8    oletraveler    1508    3    4     LT29
9    dude    1504    3    5     LT29           
10    aczern.    1301    1    2     LT29       
11    kevin551    1282    3    6     LT21
12    kg    1262    1    3     LT29           
13    elrik    1239    4    14     LT29           
14    maho    1114    3    14     LT29           
15    pytoux    1087    3    7     LT29           

There are big changes in the top.

- Terror lost his throne after a very long time. Bli is now wearing the crown.
- Kevin551, Elrik, Duncan Shriek entered the Top-10 replacing OleTraveler, Dude/Akfaew, Aczern.

Last edited by Kryon (21.07.2012 22:28:00)

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#3 23.07.2012 05:06:33

mrsynical
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Re: Ranking after LT30

I believe Pytoux == Zero.

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#4 26.07.2012 16:34:44

Kryon
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Re: Ranking after LT30

How can we be sure of that? This is a tricky issue.

Even if a person admits changing names and wants to keep his old score, we can't be sure he is actually that person. Perhaps he wants the good score of another player (or ruin someone's score).

Also, a person who has a score less than 1000 can always open a new account to start fresh with a new 1000. This fact (old players might have lower score than newbies) is a disadvantage of the current ranking system.

So, unless we come up with a way to know who the original player was without a doubt, I hesitate to assign a new name to an older name. I can think of two solutions:

- The old players sends a forum message stating the name of his new player account.
- A better way would be to allow players to change their usernames without opening a new account.

Of course, these methods won't work for LT29-LT30 transition as all players lost their accounts and had to recreate new accounts. If during that transition, someone stole someone else's username, we can't do anything about it.

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#5 27.07.2012 09:19:52

mrsynical
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Re: Ranking after LT30

"For info regarding the ranking, my previous account was «Pytoux». Zero seemed appropriate to start anew."

http://forum.longturn.org/viewtopic.php?pid=1402#p1402


Kryon wrote:

How can we be sure of that? This is a tricky issue.

- The old players sends a forum message stating the name of his new player account.
- A better way would be to allow players to change their usernames without opening a new account.

Of course, these methods won't work for LT29-LT30 transition as all players lost their accounts and had to recreate new accounts. If during that transition, someone stole someone else's username, we can't do anything about it.

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#6 29.07.2012 09:30:18

Kryon
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Re: Ranking after LT30

mrsynical wrote:

"For info regarding the ranking, my previous account was «Pytoux». Zero seemed appropriate to start anew."

http://forum.longturn.org/viewtopic.php?pid=1402#p1402

How can we make sure Zero is Pytoux even if Zero claims he is? Pytoux himself should send a forum message.

And since all accounts had to be recreated after LT29, anyone could easily hack someone else's account (by creating the new account before the actual person).

So, the only solution is people to announce their new usernames on the old website forum. I've created a topic for that purpose:

http://old.longturn.org/forum/player-na … after-lt29

So, if you are using a new name and want to keep your old score, announce there and I'll link the two names for ranking purposes.

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#7 03.08.2012 21:12:58

pipo
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Re: Ranking after LT30

I know I haven't played in a long time but still, shouldn't my name be there somewhere?

-- pipo

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#8 07.08.2012 07:12:18

catherineloucks
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Re: Ranking after LT30

I never reached that much scores even if I try hard. This game is not my cup of tea I think.

Last edited by catherineloucks (07.08.2012 07:12:32)

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#9 07.08.2012 07:53:40

Marduk
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Re: Ranking after LT30

pipo wrote:

I know I haven't played in a long time but still, shouldn't my name be there somewhere?

-- pipo

If you didn't play after LT20 or so (10 games ago) then your rank is suspended. But the moment you play another game your old rank is restored, we still have all your data.

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#10 07.08.2012 19:14:30

Kryon
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Re: Ranking after LT30

pipo wrote:

I know I haven't played in a long time but still, shouldn't my name be there somewhere?

-- pipo

Your stats are:

Score Won Lost Last-Game
595     1      6      LTXIII

As Marduk said, only players who played a game in the last 10 games (LT20 or later) are displayed.

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#11 07.08.2012 19:17:04

Kryon
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Re: Ranking after LT30

catherineloucks wrote:

I never reached that much scores even if I try hard. This game is not my cup of tea I think.

These are not in-game scores. They are based only on the outcome of the games.

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#12 07.08.2012 20:02:48

pipo
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Re: Ranking after LT30

Marduk wrote:
pipo wrote:

I know I haven't played in a long time but still, shouldn't my name be there somewhere?

-- pipo

If you didn't play after LT20 or so (10 games ago) then your rank is suspended. But the moment you play another game your old rank is restored, we still have all your data.

I see,  thank you.

Maybe there should be some points for LTeX games... hehe

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#13 08.08.2012 07:47:17

Marduk
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Re: Ranking after LT30

pipo wrote:

Maybe there should be some points for LTeX games... hehe

Actually I have an idea for this, though it depends on LTeX players whether it could work. Players could claim a "kill" in LTeX, and if it's confirmed then that player will take some points from the one he killed (more points if that player has a higher ranking score). But yea it depends if players would actually claim their kills, it's harder to maintain than the normal LT ranking list.

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#14 17.08.2012 13:33:57

pipo
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Re: Ranking after LT30

Marduk wrote:
pipo wrote:

Maybe there should be some points for LTeX games... hehe

Actually I have an idea for this, though it depends on LTeX players whether it could work. Players could claim a "kill" in LTeX, and if it's confirmed then that player will take some points from the one he killed (more points if that player has a higher ranking score). But yea it depends if players would actually claim their kills, it's harder to maintain than the normal LT ranking list.

Not a bad idea.  Maybe we could modify the server to report the kill or better yet have an independent process that would monitor the logs and report that somehow.  Talking about LTeX,
I think these games are too long,  There should be a consensus about the length of these experimental games.  For me, 90 turns seems about right.  I live in the wilderness again, so my replies may suffer some lag time...

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